Comments on: HTNASL Part IV: The Content and Footer http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/ John Nunemaker\'s thoughts and such Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:19:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: dan http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-132576 dan Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:25:46 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-132576 just wanted to let you know that i found you tutorial very helpful and I hope you keep it up for a little while longer. just wanted to let you know that i found you tutorial very helpful and I hope you keep it up for a little while longer.

]]> By: Raphael http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-95235 Raphael Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:21:23 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-95235 I just want to thank you so many times, although I'm from Austria, it helped a lot! Exactly what I was looking for :) I just want to thank you so many times, although I’m from Austria, it helped a lot!
Exactly what I was looking for :)

]]> By: John Nunemaker http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-55141 John Nunemaker Fri, 19 Jan 2007 04:03:09 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-55141 @Rob - GoLive probably doesn't have as sophisticated preview as a real browser. Never rely on an editor for your previews. Always use the browser that will actually display them. @Rob – GoLive probably doesn’t have as sophisticated preview as a real browser. Never rely on an editor for your previews. Always use the browser that will actually display them.

]]> By: Rob http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-55123 Rob Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:49:57 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-55123 Hi John, Absolutely a wonderful series of tutorials. I did the tutorial 2 times and really learned a great deal. I am new to all this and it seems this is the way to go for the future. I have one quick question... I did this tutorial in GoLive and after I was finished with the tutorial, the site looked great in Firefox and IE browsers but the images did not line up right in the actual index.html page viewing it in GoLive. Is there a reason for this or did I do something wrong along the way? Again, thank you for the great tutorials and I look forward to the pdf version. Rob G Hi John,
Absolutely a wonderful series of tutorials. I did the tutorial 2 times and really learned a great deal. I am new to all this and it seems this is the way to go for the future. I have one quick question… I did this tutorial in GoLive and after I was finished with the tutorial, the site looked great in Firefox and IE browsers but the images did not line up right in the actual index.html page viewing it in GoLive. Is there a reason for this or did I do something wrong along the way? Again, thank you for the great tutorials and I look forward to the pdf version.
Rob G

]]> By: pedram http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-15748 pedram Mon, 04 Dec 2006 01:21:16 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-15748 Hey this is a really nice page with a good tutorial, I would break things up a little more I didn't get it the first time I read through it but the technique is nice, I'm gonna try to mimic the faux columns technique with a split middle so i can get a liquid layout and still benefit from this break down, works well especially since I'm applying the technique on a totally different layout design... still works, thanks for finally dispelling what seemed to be a designer only trade secret ;-) Hey this is a really nice page with a good tutorial,
I would break things up a little more I didn’t get it
the first time I read through it but the technique is
nice, I’m gonna try to mimic the faux columns technique
with a split middle so i can get a liquid layout and still
benefit from this break down, works well especially
since I’m applying the technique on a totally different
layout design… still works, thanks for finally dispelling
what seemed to be a designer only trade secret ;-)

]]> By: Daniel Serrano http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-4636 Daniel Serrano Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:13:09 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-4636 I just want to thank you... it was for me very illustrating.. Gracias y saludos desde México... I just want to thank you… it was for me very illustrating..
Gracias y saludos desde México…

]]> By: Alex http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-1586 Alex Thu, 04 May 2006 07:42:00 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-1586 Hi John, thank You for the quick replay! Yes, it helped because it's confirming what I was slitly heading at! I started reading "Design with web standards" and reached the same conclusion. It's always a pleasure being helped by great web expert like You! By the way Your site is really nice: I like when I disable CSS style in the browser (Firefox) and I see plain simple html. I'll keep reading Your work! Alex Hi John,
thank You for the quick replay!
Yes, it helped because it’s confirming what I was slitly heading at!
I started reading “Design with web standards” and reached the same conclusion.
It’s always a pleasure being helped by great web expert like You!
By the way Your site is really nice: I like when I disable CSS style in the browser (Firefox) and I see plain simple html.
I’ll keep reading Your work!
Alex

]]> By: John Nunemaker http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-1577 John Nunemaker Wed, 03 May 2006 19:48:55 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-1577 @Alex - Well, the data has to be first formatted with XHTML. Once you have that, you just style the XHTML to your liking. One thing that I often do is mockup what the page will look like with static XHTML not generated by ASP or PHP or whatever you use. Once you have the mockup, you can style it. When you are finished styling, just make the server side language (ASP or PHP) generate the markup that is used in the mockup. Hope that helps. @Alex – Well, the data has to be first formatted with XHTML. Once you have that, you just style the XHTML to your liking. One thing that I often do is mockup what the page will look like with static XHTML not generated by ASP or PHP or whatever you use. Once you have the mockup, you can style it. When you are finished styling, just make the server side language (ASP or PHP) generate the markup that is used in the mockup. Hope that helps.

]]> By: Alex http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-1574 Alex Wed, 03 May 2006 16:54:17 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-1574 John, first of all I would like to thank You for sharing Your great skill with us. I started using CSS because I feel that there should be a clear separation between document contents and presentation. Being said that I still don't have a clear idea of how accomplish it with the tools I'm using and I wonder if You have any suggestion. What I would like to do would be: 1) using ASP.NET 2) dinamically reading document contents (text and image) from a database (being a relational database or a xml file or a text file, he does not matter) 3) layout documents contents using CSS I use to dinamically load user controls from a xml configuration file and having each of this controls render itself. What I don't understand though is how I can layout this data with CSS. It seams to me that to being able to do it I should know what will be the contents (text, images, etc.) to be displayed before writting the CSS file which is obviously the opposit of dinamically loaded controls. If this is off topic I apologise for not posting on the right place. Any suggestions or link to be pointed to will be greatly appreciated. Thank You, Alex John,
first of all I would like to thank You for sharing Your great skill with us.
I started using CSS because I feel that there should be a clear separation between document contents and presentation.
Being said that I still don’t have a clear idea of how accomplish it with the tools I’m using and I wonder if You have any suggestion. What I would like to do would be:
1) using ASP.NET
2) dinamically reading document contents (text and image) from a database (being a relational database or a xml file or a text file, he does not matter)
3) layout documents contents using CSS
I use to dinamically load user controls from a xml configuration file and having each of this controls render itself. What I don’t understand though is how I can layout this data with CSS. It seams to me that to being able to do it I should know what will be the contents (text, images, etc.) to be displayed before writting the CSS file which is obviously the opposit of dinamically loaded controls.
If this is off topic I apologise for not posting on the right place.
Any suggestions or link to be pointed to will be greatly appreciated.
Thank You,
Alex

]]> By: Rod Martin http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-926 Rod Martin Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:02:37 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-926 I was looking at your previous articles on this topic and in the first two are links to examples of your (a) starting page template and (b) starting css template...both of which aren't valid links anymore. Any chance of getting those links refreshed? I was looking at your previous articles on this topic and in the first two are links to examples of your (a) starting page template and (b) starting css template…both of which aren’t valid links anymore. Any chance of getting those links refreshed?

]]> By: claus http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-921 claus Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:10:20 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-921 Hi, hope you had a good time between the years and a fine christmas. Thanks a lot for completing your wonderful work and lots of new insights, claus. Hi,
hope you had a good time between the years and a fine christmas.
Thanks a lot for completing your wonderful work and lots of new insights,

claus.

]]> By: Lou http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-916 Lou Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:10:49 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-916 Hi John, Just wanted to say how much I have enjoyed this series. I've learned so much. I have a question that maybe you could answer or point me in the right direction. I working on a site with two columns, narrow on the left, main on right. I have some images that I want to float out of the main content into the sidebar. You can see it here: http://www.staging.smudgedgraphics.com/dbs/whois.html. A little ways down the page I have photos of the women who are described. It works in Mac Firefox 1.5 and Safari, but you won't see the images in Win IE6. The images are inline with a class with a negative margin. Do you know how to make this work in IE, or point me in the direction to find the answer? Thanks a lot. Lou Hi John,
Just wanted to say how much I have enjoyed this series. I’ve learned so much.
I have a question that maybe you could answer or point me in the right direction. I working on a site with two columns, narrow on the left, main on right. I have some images that I want to float out of the main content into the sidebar. You can see it here: http://www.staging.smudgedgraphics.com/dbs/whois.html. A little ways down the page I have photos of the women who are described. It works in Mac Firefox 1.5 and Safari, but you won’t see the images in Win IE6. The images are inline with a class with a negative margin. Do you know how to make this work in IE, or point me in the direction to find the answer?
Thanks a lot.
Lou

]]> By: John Nunemaker http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-907 John Nunemaker Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:31:21 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-907 <p>@busychild - No problem. If you are unfamiliar with the box model hack you can <a href="http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BoxModelHack" rel="nofollow">read up on it</a>. If you are familiar then read on in this comment. </p> <p>That declaration is a box model hack. The first declaration <code class="inline">width:485px !important;</code> is applied by browsers that adhere to the w3c specs. The second declaration is for those that don't.</p> <p>I know longer use this method because it uses !important to force IE/Mac 5 into submission. !importants make stylesheets harder to override. I now use <code class="inline">width:525px; width/**/:/**/485px;</code> as my box model hack. Hope this helps, let me know if it doesn't.</p> @busychild – No problem. If you are unfamiliar with the box model hack you can read up on it. If you are familiar then read on in this comment.

That declaration is a box model hack. The first declaration width:485px !important; is applied by browsers that adhere to the w3c specs. The second declaration is for those that don’t.

I know longer use this method because it uses !important to force IE/Mac 5 into submission. !importants make stylesheets harder to override. I now use width:525px; width/**/:/**/485px; as my box model hack. Hope this helps, let me know if it doesn’t.

]]> By: busychild http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-902 busychild Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:11:04 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-902 John, Can you explain, or point me to some documentation on the "width:485px !important; width /**/:525px;" for content-main? I've never seen this before. Greatly appreciate your work. John, Can you explain, or point me to some documentation on the “width:485px !important; width /**/:525px;” for content-main? I’ve never seen this before. Greatly appreciate your work.

]]> By: John Nunemaker http://addictedtonew.com/archives/110/htnasl-part-iv-the-content-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-892 John Nunemaker Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:19:46 +0000 http://addictedtonew.com/?p=110#comment-892 No problem. Glad everyone is enjoying it. I am a bad procrastinator. No problem. Glad everyone is enjoying it. I am a bad procrastinator.

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